I'm back and need more info on Benny Hinn

[Jason Gastrich]

Hi everyone its nice being back to Usenet. I am doing some research on
some of the Word of Faith teachers.

Has anyone either researched Benny Hinn's teachings or been to one of
his
services?

A couple of years ago, I did some research on him because my Aunt told
me
how great he was. Unfortunately, I found that he was quite a fraud;
proclaiming to do miracles when none were actually performed, saying
things
that contradicted God's Word, claiming to heal people that later say
they
weren't healed, etc.

If you haven't made yourself familiar with the Apologetics Index, then
please do. It's a fantastic resource because it investigates people,
movements, sects, etc. It takes their very words from their literature
and
teachings and holds it against the Word of God.

Here is the entry for Benny Hinn: http://apologeticsindex.org/h0 1.html

In short, beware of Benny Hinn. He has lied many times and led many
astray.
He has some heretical teachings. It appears that he became very
popular
before he was a mature believer; before he was grounded in the Word,
and it
caused him to make up things that were found to contradict the Bible.
I'd
be surprised if he hasn't been approached about his lies and his false
teachings, so he likely blazed a trail that he felt he couldn't or
wouldn't
retract. Unfortunately, this has left him in a place with the Word
Faith
movement that is very undesirable to Bereans that meticulously study
the
scriptures.

Sincerely,
Jason
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On 26 Jul 2005 08:43:46 -0700, "Jason Gastrich"

Post by Jason Gastrich
Hi everyone its nice being back to Usenet. I am doing some research on
some of the Word of Faith teachers.
Has anyone either researched Benny Hinn's teachings or been to one of
his
services?
A couple of years ago, I did some research on him because my Aunt told
me
how great he was. Unfortunately, I found that he was quite a fraud;
proclaiming to do miracles when none were actually performed, saying
things
that contradicted God's Word, claiming to heal people that later say
they
weren't healed, etc.
If you haven't made yourself familiar with the Apologetics Index, then
please do. It's a fantastic resource because it investigates people,
movements, sects, etc. It takes their very words from their literature
and
teachings and holds it against the Word of God.
Here is the entry for Benny Hinn: http://apologeticsindex.org/h0 1.html
In short, beware of Benny Hinn. He has lied many times and led many
astray.
He has some heretical teachings. It appears that he became very
popular
before he was a mature believer; before he was grounded in the Word,
and it
caused him to make up things that were found to contradict the Bible.
I'd
be surprised if he hasn't been approached about his lies and his false
teachings, so he likely blazed a trail that he felt he couldn't or
wouldn't
retract. Unfortunately, this has left him in a place with the Word
Faith
movement that is very undesirable to Bereans that meticulously study
the
scriptures.
Sincerely,
Jason
-----
Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 70,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140
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YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason

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[Christopher A. Lee]

On 26 Jul 2005 08:43:46 -0700, "Jason Gastrich"

Post by Jason Gastrich
Hi everyone its nice being back to Usenet. I am doing some research on
some of the Word of Faith teachers.

Go fuck youself.

<re-plonk>

[Bad Wolf]

Post by Bible Bob
On 26 Jul 2005 08:43:46 -0700, "Jason Gastrich"

Post by Jason Gastrich
Hi everyone its nice being back to Usenet. I am doing some research on
some of the Word of Faith teachers.

Go fuck youself.

The trouble is, he already did.

David Silverman F.L.A.H.N. aa #2208

Either religion goes or civilisation does. It's that simple.

[Vinod]

Hi Jason,

I don't see that he is fraud. Also to me it looks his teachings are
perfectly ok from Biblical theology.

Check out this page
http://members.jcsearch.com/bennyhinn

If you can give some example where you found his theology not matching with
Bible may be we can talk on that.

What I like most about Benny Hinn is he preaches the Gospel of Salvation
crystal clear and thousands are turning to the Lord.

Thanks and God bless
Vinod Isaac
http://vinodisaac.com
--
ìø

Post by Jason Gastrich
Hi everyone its nice being back to Usenet. I am doing some research on
some of the Word of Faith teachers.
Has anyone either researched Benny Hinn's teachings or been to one of
his
services?
A couple of years ago, I did some research on him because my Aunt told
me
how great he was. Unfortunately, I found that he was quite a fraud;
proclaiming to do miracles when none were actually performed, saying
things
that contradicted God's Word, claiming to heal people that later say
they
weren't healed, etc.
If you haven't made yourself familiar with the Apologetics Index, then
please do. It's a fantastic resource because it investigates people,
movements, sects, etc. It takes their very words from their literature
and
teachings and holds it against the Word of God.
Here is the entry for Benny Hinn: http://apologeticsindex.org/h0 1.html
In short, beware of Benny Hinn. He has lied many times and led many
astray.
He has some heretical teachings. It appears that he became very
popular
before he was a mature believer; before he was grounded in the Word,
and it
caused him to make up things that were found to contradict the Bible.
I'd
be surprised if he hasn't been approached about his lies and his false
teachings, so he likely blazed a trail that he felt he couldn't or
wouldn't
retract. Unfortunately, this has left him in a place with the Word
Faith
movement that is very undesirable to Bereans that meticulously study
the
scriptures.
Sincerely,
Jason
-----
Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 70,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140
AIM: MrJasonGastrich
YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason

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Post by Vinod
Hi Jason,
I don't see that he is fraud. Also to me it looks his teachings are
perfectly ok from Biblical theology.

I'll give you one.

I heard with my own two ears, Benny say that The Holy Spirit had
revealed to Benny that He would return -- in the flesh -- during a
Benny Hinn crusade.

Later, Benny announced during a service that Jesus HAD returned -- IN
THE FLESH-- during one of his services in a 3rd World country, and
that it had all been videotaped.

Only they lost the video tape!

Benny videotapes the most significant event in the history of mankind,
and he lost the video tape?


Uh!

Benny is a liar.


jw

Post by Vinod
Check out this page
http://members.jcsearch.com/bennyhinn
If you can give some example where you found his theology not matching with
Bible may be we can talk on that.

See above.

And take your "stuff" back to the pentecostal pretender group.

Post by Vinod
What I like most about Benny Hinn is he preaches the Gospel of Salvation
crystal clear and thousands are turning to the Lord.

He preaches a "Word of Faith" false gospel while he lines his pockets
with YOUR money and buys bigger airplanes and houses.

Wake up!

jw

Post by Vinod
Thanks and God bless
Vinod Isaac
http://vinodisaac.com

[Vinod]

Check this page out for answer to Jesus appearing on the stage.
http://members.jcsearch.com/bennyhinn/why-benny-hinn-not-false1.htm#2

Thanks
Vinod Isaac
http://vinodisaac.com
--
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Post by Vinod
Hi Jason,
I don't see that he is fraud. Also to me it looks his teachings are
perfectly ok from Biblical theology.

I'll give you one.
I heard with my own two ears, Benny say that The Holy Spirit had
revealed to Benny that He would return -- in the flesh -- during a
Benny Hinn crusade.
Later, Benny announced during a service that Jesus HAD returned -- IN
THE FLESH-- during one of his services in a 3rd World country, and
that it had all been videotaped.
Only they lost the video tape!
Benny videotapes the most significant event in the history of mankind,
and he lost the video tape?
Uh!
Benny is a liar.
jw

Post by Vinod
Check out this page
http://members.jcsearch.com/bennyhinn
If you can give some example where you found his theology not matching with
Bible may be we can talk on that.

See above.
And take your "stuff" back to the pentecostal pretender group.

Post by Vinod
What I like most about Benny Hinn is he preaches the Gospel of Salvation
crystal clear and thousands are turning to the Lord.

He preaches a "Word of Faith" false gospel while he lines his pockets
with YOUR money and buys bigger airplanes and houses.
Wake up!
jw

Post by Vinod
Thanks and God bless
Vinod Isaac
http://vinodisaac.com

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Check this page out for answer to Jesus appearing on the stage.
http://members.jcsearch.com/bennyhinn/why-benny-hinn-not-false1.htm#2

This "posting" does not answer the issue of Benny Hinn declaring
1. Jesus had told him He WOULD appear at a Benny Hinn service (ONE
service, sometime in the future)
2. Benny CLAIMING that Jesus had INDEED appeared "IN THE FLESH" at a
crusade in a 3rd World Country (only MYSTERIOUSLY, with all the LIVE
TELEVISED CRUSADES Benny has, Jesus chose to NOT appear at a live
televised crusade) Why is Jesus hiding from the world?
3. Benny CLAIMING that the appearance of Jesus was videotaped, but
Benny and his staff "lost the tape."

One truly has to be GULLIBLE to the EXTREME to believe this nonsense.

The appearances after Christ left us were all recorded in scripture.

And there is NOTHING in scripture to suggest that "He will appear
here, then He will appear there, then He will appear somewhere
else..."

The scripture says that when He comes it will be INSTANT, in the AIR,
and the entire PLANET will be aware of His coming at the same moment.


Those who are fooled are those who don't know the Word.


jw

Post by Vinod
Thanks
Vinod Isaac
http://vinodisaac.com

[Vinod]

Looks your confusion is between Jesus appearing to people and Jesus's second
coming.

You are quoting
Mat 24:23 "Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or
'There!' do not believe it.
Mat 24:24 "For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great
signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

Now all the recorded appearence of Jesus were after Mat 24:23 was spoken by
Jesus. So according to you those appearence must be from false christs and
false prophets. That will make desciples and Paul and 500 people false
prophet. But thank God desciples and Paul and other 500 people who saw Jesus
is risen again are not false prophets.

Just after resurrection Jesus appeared to Mary, disciples and others and to
Paul and to Stephen and so on. Now this kind of appearance is not at all
subjected to Mat 24:23-24. What Mat 24:23-24 is trying to say is false
christs and false prophets will claim that they are Christ. Remember false
christs and false prophets are not false just because they show signs and
wonders but because they speak what Christ has not spoken and teach what
Christ has not taught. They are the ones who work "against Christ" not "for
Christ".

Today's problem is as soon as people see signs and wonders they began to say
that preacher is false.
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Check this page out for answer to Jesus appearing on the stage.
http://members.jcsearch.com/bennyhinn/why-benny-hinn-not-false1.htm#2

This "posting" does not answer the issue of Benny Hinn declaring
1. Jesus had told him He WOULD appear at a Benny Hinn service (ONE
service, sometime in the future)
2. Benny CLAIMING that Jesus had INDEED appeared "IN THE FLESH" at a
crusade in a 3rd World Country (only MYSTERIOUSLY, with all the LIVE
TELEVISED CRUSADES Benny has, Jesus chose to NOT appear at a live
televised crusade) Why is Jesus hiding from the world?
3. Benny CLAIMING that the appearance of Jesus was videotaped, but
Benny and his staff "lost the tape."
One truly has to be GULLIBLE to the EXTREME to believe this nonsense.
The appearances after Christ left us were all recorded in scripture.
And there is NOTHING in scripture to suggest that "He will appear
here, then He will appear there, then He will appear somewhere
else..."
The scripture says that when He comes it will be INSTANT, in the AIR,
and the entire PLANET will be aware of His coming at the same moment.
Those who are fooled are those who don't know the Word.
jw

Post by Vinod
Thanks
Vinod Isaac
http://vinodisaac.com

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Post by Vinod
Looks your confusion is between Jesus appearing to people and Jesus's second
coming.

OTC.

I am not the one who is confused. And I will match my knowledge /
understanding of scripture with you any day.

There have certainly been VISIONS of Jesus since He ascended; Paul had
one of those.

However, Paul NEVER EVER claimed to have seen a VISIBLE, PHYSICAL,
FLESH and BLOOD appearance of the Christ; Paul knew better.

Apparently, you don't, and you don't understand the IMPLICATIONS of
what you are saying.

Post by Vinod
You are quoting
Mat 24:23 "Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or
'There!' do not believe it.
Mat 24:24 "For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great
signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
Now all the recorded appearence of Jesus were after Mat 24:23 was spoken by
Jesus. So according to you those appearence must be from false christs and
false prophets.

No, you are twisting what I said. NO appearance of Christ after He
ASCENDED (Acts 1) was an appearance of Christ in the FLESH.


That will make disciples and Paul and 500 people false

Post by Vinod
prophet. But thank God desciples and Paul and other 500 people who saw Jesus
is risen again are not false prophets.

WHY are you TWISTING my words?

Only a false teacher, a false prophet, or a DEMON (or all 3) would
twist my words to fit their own.

We are NOT to twist and cut and shave and scrape to make scripture fit
what we choose to believe.

We ARE to make what we believe fit with scripture.

Post by Vinod
Just after resurrection Jesus appeared to Mary, disciples and others and to
Paul and to Stephen and so on.

Correct. I never said otherwise, and ALL You are now doing is trying
to OBSCURE the truth.

Why is that?

Now this kind of appearance is not at all

Post by Vinod
subjected to Mat 24:23-24.

What Mat 24:23-24 is trying to say is false christs and false prophets
will claim that they are Christ.

Some will. Other false prophets will merely teach false doctrine, like
Benny Hinn and Rod Parsley, the Kens, Oral and Richard, Joyce Meyer
and Fred Price.

Remember false

Post by Vinod
christs and false prophets are not false just because they show signs and
wonders but because they speak what Christ has not spoken and teach what
Christ has not taught.

No kidding.

AGAIN, I will say flatly that from waht you are saying, you are a babe
in Bible knowledge. You need to spend less time chasing signs and
miracles and more time studying the Word.


They are the ones who work "against Christ" not "for

Post by Vinod
Christ".

Not just them. I have personally seen enough of Benny Hinn's flim-flam
and enough of Rod Parsley's flim-flam to want to vomit.

Post by Vinod
Today's problem is as soon as people see signs and wonders they began to say
that preacher is false.

That is not a problem. One who truly understands the scriptures KNOWS
that too many of those who claim "signs and wonders" ARE false.

For instance, when Benny claims miracles that are EASILY proven false,
and then he claims -- as do most "pentecostal" pretenders-- that
"speaking in tongues is the initial sign of being born again, that is
demonic teaching.

Paul didn't speak in tongues when he was born again, the thief didn't,
NONE of the 12 did when THEY were born again, NONE of the several
thousand who believed on the day of Pentecost did.

Etc.


jw

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Check this page out for answer to Jesus appearing on the stage.
http://members.jcsearch.com/bennyhinn/why-benny-hinn-not-false1.htm#2

This article didn't / doesn't answer my objections.

All REAL appearances of Christ after the resurrection/ascension took
place in the 1st C AD and were recorded in the Bible.

There is NO evidence whatever for any modern-day appearances, and
Jesus DID say-- as did the apostles-- that the modern-day appearances
would be anti-Christ.

The next time the real Christ appears, He will appear to all mankind
in one moment of time.


AC 1:10 They were looking intently up into the sky as he was
going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11
"Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here looking into the
sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will
come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven."

Acts 2.

He appeared in SPIRIT after He ascended; however, He has NOT appeared
in FLESH. Anyone who claims to have seen Him in flesh is lying or
deceived.




jw

Post by Vinod
Thanks
Vinod Isaac
http://vinodisaac.com

[Darrell Stec]

After serious contemplation, on or about Tuesday 26 July 2005 3:08 pm

Post by Vinod
Hi Jason,
I don't see that he is fraud. Also to me it looks his teachings are
perfectly ok from Biblical theology.
Check out this page
http://members.jcsearch.com/bennyhinn
If you can give some example where you found his theology not matching
with Bible may be we can talk on that.
What I like most about Benny Hinn is he preaches the Gospel of Salvation
crystal clear and thousands are turning to the Lord.
Thanks and God bless
Vinod Isaac
http://vinodisaac.com

He is a fraud. Orlando's Channel 9 did an expose on him a few years back.
They caught him curing some of the same exact people from one city to the
next. In the expose, they pointed these people out. They also did a
follow up on the "cured" people and found that there were no organic
changes that doctors could find. The vast majority (put aside for the
moment the shills that were continually cured) seemed to have gotten their
infirmities back.

After the several part expose, Benny boy went from proclaim that "the person
is cured" to "the doctor says that the person says that they are cured."
It is a fact that a majority diseases are self healing, and a small
percentage of cancer patients have total reversals for no apparent reason.
What these so called faith healers seem to "cure" as diseases which have a
natural cure rate anyway, or medical conditions which have a psychological
origin. Not one faith healer has cured an organic problem like a lost
limb, damaged retina or optic nerve, or type 1 diabetes.

[Vinod]

Any body can do any expose. Those who run such kind of expose usually
suppress informations and show only part of the information that suites
them.

In any Christian healing event there are few facts.
1.) Not all people get healed.
Mat 17:16 "So I brought him to Your disciples, but they could not cure
him."
disciples could not cure doesn't mean that they were fraud.

Mat 13:58 Now He did not do many mighty works there because of their
unbelief.
Jesus did not do mighty works because faith was missing

2.) Some people do lose their healing and even get worse things.
John 5:14 Afterward Jesus found him in the temple, and said to him, "See,
you have been made well. Sin no more, lest a worse thing come upon you."

Thanks and God bless
Vinod Isaac
http://vinodisaac.com
--
T5

Post by Darrell Stec
After serious contemplation, on or about Tuesday 26 July 2005 3:08 pm

Post by Vinod
Hi Jason,
I don't see that he is fraud. Also to me it looks his teachings are
perfectly ok from Biblical theology.
Check out this page
http://members.jcsearch.com/bennyhinn
If you can give some example where you found his theology not matching
with Bible may be we can talk on that.
What I like most about Benny Hinn is he preaches the Gospel of Salvation
crystal clear and thousands are turning to the Lord.
Thanks and God bless
Vinod Isaac
http://vinodisaac.com

He is a fraud. Orlando's Channel 9 did an expose on him a few years back.
They caught him curing some of the same exact people from one city to the
next. In the expose, they pointed these people out. They also did a
follow up on the "cured" people and found that there were no organic
changes that doctors could find. The vast majority (put aside for the
moment the shills that were continually cured) seemed to have gotten their
infirmities back.
After the several part expose, Benny boy went from proclaim that "the person
is cured" to "the doctor says that the person says that they are cured."
It is a fact that a majority diseases are self healing, and a small
percentage of cancer patients have total reversals for no apparent reason.
What these so called faith healers seem to "cure" as diseases which have a
natural cure rate anyway, or medical conditions which have a psychological
origin. Not one faith healer has cured an organic problem like a lost
limb, damaged retina or optic nerve, or type 1 diabetes.
--
Later,
Webpage Sorcery
http://webpagesorcery.com
We Put the Magic in Your Webpages

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Hi everyone its nice being back to Usenet. I am doing some research on
some of the Word of Faith teachers.
Has anyone either researched Benny Hinn's teachings or been to one of
his
services?

Jason, if this is really you, the first warning you should be getting
is if he teaches (he does) that signs are for today.

They aren't.

God can certainly perform any miracles He so chooses; however, when
people fall down on command, that is NOT of the Spirit. I can fall
down 100 times a day, but it has NOTHING to do with the Holy Spirit.

And if you read the archives for the "pentecostal" group, (I call them
"pretenders"), you will find that they equate the falling down,
rolling around, their eyes rolling back in their heads, and flopping
around like fish out of water, with a phenomenon they call 'The Spirit
of Epilepsy."

Kindly find me a "Spirit of Epilepsy" in the New Testament.

They BASE this teaching on the passage where Jesus and the disciples
had just come down from the Mt of Transfiguration.

There was a POSSESSED boy being thrown into the water and then the
fire

because the demon that possessed him was trying to HURT him.

This "Spirit of Epilepsy" that Benny Hinn's and Rod Parsley's
followers seek is the demon that possessed the boy.


MT 17:10 The disciples asked him, "Why then do the teachers of the
law say that Elijah must come first?"

MT 17:11 Jesus replied, "To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore
all things. 12 But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did
not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the
same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands." 13 Then
the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the
Baptist.

MT 17:14 When they came to the crowd, a man approached Jesus and
knelt before him. 15 "Lord, have mercy on my son," he said. "He has
seizures and is suffering greatly. He often falls into the fire or
into the water. 16 I brought him to your disciples, but they could not
heal him."

MT 17:17 "O unbelieving and perverse generation," Jesus replied,
"how long shall I stay with you? How long shall I put up with you?
Bring the boy here to me." 18 Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out
of the boy, and he was healed from that moment.

MT 17:19 Then the disciples came to Jesus in private and asked,
"Why couldn't we drive it out?"

MT 17:20 He replied, "Because you have so little faith. I tell you
the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say
to this mountain, `Move from here to there' and it will move. Nothing
will be impossible for you. "

I found out from discussing the pretender movement for MONTHS that
this "phenomenon " is happening WORLDWIDE.

I CONSTANTLY hear 'pentecostals" pretenders say that "speaking in
tongues' Is the initial evidence of being born again.

Oh, REALLY? Show me where the text says that Paul spoke in tongues
WHEN HE WAS BORN AGAIN. Show me where the crowd of Jews who LISTENED
to the apostles, the crowd who were BORN AGAIN that day-- show me
where ANY of them were said to speak in tongues.

Didn't happen. Then Acts goes on to record NUMEROUS services
conducted by Peter, later by Paul, at which THOUSANDS were born again.
NO MENTION OF TONGUES being spoken by ANY of them.

And kindly don't ASSUME what scripture doesn't teach.

Finally, there is NO mention of the eunuch Philip led to Jesus
speaking in tongues.

When you play with "signs", you're going to be confused.

Post by Jason Gastrich
A couple of years ago, I did some research on him because my Aunt told
me
how great he was.

Your aunt is what I call a "signs chaser."

Read what Jesus said about those who seek signs.

"A wicked and adulterous generation seeks sign. And they shall not
have a sign!"

Unfortunately, I found that he was quite a fraud;

Post by Jason Gastrich
proclaiming to do miracles when none were actually performed, saying
things
that contradicted God's Word, claiming to heal people that later say
they
weren't healed, etc.

I have PERSONALLY heard him testify that Jesus had revealed to him
that He would return, and HE would return during a Benny Hinn service.
He would VISIBLY appear.

A few years ago, Benny announced that Jesus HAD returned IN THE FLESH.
He said they had video-taped it, in some 3rd world country.

When asked about the video tape, about the most significant event in
the history of mankind, Benny and his team "misplaced it." His total
commentary on the whereabouts of this MOST IMPORTANT document was,
"it's around here SOMEWHERE!"

Wise up, Jason!

The signs are false, and when the anti-Christ comes, he will perform
more dazzling "signs" than Jesus performed.

So if you are watching for "signs" (tongues, healing, being "Slain",
"prophesies") how will you know when it's really Jesus?



And -- for ME, I don't need to check him out any further. You
should know better, if you have a Ph D after your name.

How much arsenic in your lunch does it take to kill you?


jw

Post by Jason Gastrich
If you haven't made yourself familiar with the Apologetics Index, then
please do. It's a fantastic resource because it investigates people,
movements, sects, etc. It takes their very words from their literature
and
teachings and holds it against the Word of God.
Here is the entry for Benny Hinn: http://apologeticsindex.org/h0 1.html
In short, beware of Benny Hinn. He has lied many times and led many
astray.
He has some heretical teachings. It appears that he became very
popular
before he was a mature believer; before he was grounded in the Word,
and it
caused him to make up things that were found to contradict the Bible.
I'd
be surprised if he hasn't been approached about his lies and his false
teachings, so he likely blazed a trail that he felt he couldn't or
wouldn't
retract. Unfortunately, this has left him in a place with the Word
Faith
movement that is very undesirable to Bereans that meticulously study
the
scriptures.
Sincerely,
Jason
-----
Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 70,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140
AIM: MrJasonGastrich
YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason

[Vinod]

"sign chaser"?

Read what Jesus himself said about signs and wonders. I hate when people
take Bible verses out of context and try to scare people saying if they see
the signs it is sin.

Mark 3:13 And He went up on the mountain and called to Him those He Himself
wanted. And they came to Him.
Mark 3:14 Then He appointed twelve, that they might be with Him and that He
might send them out to preach,
Mark 3:15 and to have power to heal sicknesses and to cast out demons:

John 1:50 Jesus answered and said to him, "Because I said to you, 'I saw
you under the fig tree,' do you believe? You will see greater things than
these."

Mark 16:17 "And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they
will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;
Mark 16:18 "they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly,
it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they
will recover."

Mark 16:20 And they went out and preached everywhere, the Lord working with
them and confirming the word through the accompanying signs. Amen.

John 4:48 Then Jesus said to him, "Unless you people see signs and wonders,
you will by no means believe."
John 4:54 This again is the second sign Jesus did when He had come out of
Judea into Galilee.

John 12:37 But although He had done so many signs before them, they did not
believe in Him,
John 12:38 that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he
spoke: "Lord, who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the
LORD been revealed?"

Was Paul a sign chaser?
Rom 15:17 Therefore I have reason to glory in Christ Jesus in the things
which pertain to God.
Rom 15:18 For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ
has not accomplished through me, in word and deed, to make the Gentiles
obedient;
Rom 15:19 in mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God,
so that from Jerusalem and round about to Illyricum I have fully preached
the gospel of Christ.

Thanks and God bless
Vinod Isaac
http://vinodisaac.com
--
T5

Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
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On 26 Jul 2005 08:43:46 -0700, "Jason Gastrich"
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article can be reproduced in any form anywhere else without express
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Post by Jason Gastrich
Hi everyone its nice being back to Usenet. I am doing some research on
some of the Word of Faith teachers.
Has anyone either researched Benny Hinn's teachings or been to one of
his
services?

Jason, if this is really you, the first warning you should be getting
is if he teaches (he does) that signs are for today.
They aren't.
God can certainly perform any miracles He so chooses; however, when
people fall down on command, that is NOT of the Spirit. I can fall
down 100 times a day, but it has NOTHING to do with the Holy Spirit.
And if you read the archives for the "pentecostal" group, (I call them
"pretenders"), you will find that they equate the falling down,
rolling around, their eyes rolling back in their heads, and flopping
around like fish out of water, with a phenomenon they call 'The Spirit
of Epilepsy."
Kindly find me a "Spirit of Epilepsy" in the New Testament.
They BASE this teaching on the passage where Jesus and the disciples
had just come down from the Mt of Transfiguration.
There was a POSSESSED boy being thrown into the water and then the
fire
because the demon that possessed him was trying to HURT him.
This "Spirit of Epilepsy" that Benny Hinn's and Rod Parsley's
followers seek is the demon that possessed the boy.
MT 17:10 The disciples asked him, "Why then do the teachers of the
law say that Elijah must come first?"
MT 17:11 Jesus replied, "To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore
all things. 12 But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did
not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the
same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands." 13 Then
the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the
Baptist.
MT 17:14 When they came to the crowd, a man approached Jesus and
knelt before him. 15 "Lord, have mercy on my son," he said. "He has
seizures and is suffering greatly. He often falls into the fire or
into the water. 16 I brought him to your disciples, but they could not
heal him."
MT 17:17 "O unbelieving and perverse generation," Jesus replied,
"how long shall I stay with you? How long shall I put up with you?
Bring the boy here to me." 18 Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out
of the boy, and he was healed from that moment.
MT 17:19 Then the disciples came to Jesus in private and asked,
"Why couldn't we drive it out?"
MT 17:20 He replied, "Because you have so little faith. I tell you
the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say
to this mountain, `Move from here to there' and it will move. Nothing
will be impossible for you. "
I found out from discussing the pretender movement for MONTHS that
this "phenomenon " is happening WORLDWIDE.
I CONSTANTLY hear 'pentecostals" pretenders say that "speaking in
tongues' Is the initial evidence of being born again.
Oh, REALLY? Show me where the text says that Paul spoke in tongues
WHEN HE WAS BORN AGAIN. Show me where the crowd of Jews who LISTENED
to the apostles, the crowd who were BORN AGAIN that day-- show me
where ANY of them were said to speak in tongues.
Didn't happen. Then Acts goes on to record NUMEROUS services
conducted by Peter, later by Paul, at which THOUSANDS were born again.
NO MENTION OF TONGUES being spoken by ANY of them.
And kindly don't ASSUME what scripture doesn't teach.
Finally, there is NO mention of the eunuch Philip led to Jesus
speaking in tongues.
When you play with "signs", you're going to be confused.

Post by Jason Gastrich
A couple of years ago, I did some research on him because my Aunt told
me
how great he was.

Your aunt is what I call a "signs chaser."
Read what Jesus said about those who seek signs.
"A wicked and adulterous generation seeks sign. And they shall not
have a sign!"
Unfortunately, I found that he was quite a fraud;

Post by Jason Gastrich
proclaiming to do miracles when none were actually performed, saying
things
that contradicted God's Word, claiming to heal people that later say
they
weren't healed, etc.

I have PERSONALLY heard him testify that Jesus had revealed to him
that He would return, and HE would return during a Benny Hinn service.
He would VISIBLY appear.
A few years ago, Benny announced that Jesus HAD returned IN THE FLESH.
He said they had video-taped it, in some 3rd world country.
When asked about the video tape, about the most significant event in
the history of mankind, Benny and his team "misplaced it." His total
commentary on the whereabouts of this MOST IMPORTANT document was,
"it's around here SOMEWHERE!"
Wise up, Jason!
The signs are false, and when the anti-Christ comes, he will perform
more dazzling "signs" than Jesus performed.
So if you are watching for "signs" (tongues, healing, being "Slain",
"prophesies") how will you know when it's really Jesus?
And -- for ME, I don't need to check him out any further. You
should know better, if you have a Ph D after your name.
How much arsenic in your lunch does it take to kill you?
jw

Post by Jason Gastrich
If you haven't made yourself familiar with the Apologetics Index, then
please do. It's a fantastic resource because it investigates people,
movements, sects, etc. It takes their very words from their literature
and
teachings and holds it against the Word of God.
Here is the entry for Benny Hinn: http://apologeticsindex.org/h0 1.html
In short, beware of Benny Hinn. He has lied many times and led many
astray.
He has some heretical teachings. It appears that he became very
popular
before he was a mature believer; before he was grounded in the Word,
and it
caused him to make up things that were found to contradict the Bible.
I'd
be surprised if he hasn't been approached about his lies and his false
teachings, so he likely blazed a trail that he felt he couldn't or
wouldn't
retract. Unfortunately, this has left him in a place with the Word
Faith
movement that is very undesirable to Bereans that meticulously study
the
scriptures.
Sincerely,
Jason
-----
Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 70,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140
AIM: MrJasonGastrich
YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason

[jw <[e-mail]>]

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wrote:
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Post by Vinod
"sign chaser"?
Read what Jesus himself said about signs and wonders. I hate when people
take Bible verses out of context and try to scare people saying if they see
the signs it is sin.

Don't twist my words. I didn't say it was a "sin." I said "signs"
today are false.

Post by Vinod
Mark 3:13 And He went up on the mountain and called to Him those He Himself
wanted. And they came to Him.
Mark 3:14 Then He appointed twelve, that they might be with Him and that He
might send them out to preach,

To whom was Jesus speaking?

This is truly frightening, when you who have not made a diligent study
of the Bible twist and misuse it.

Jesus was speaking with the APOSTLES at that time, and the APOSTLES
were who were given the sign gifts.

Post by Vinod
John 1:50 Jesus answered and said to him, "Because I said to you, 'I saw
you under the fig tree,' do you believe? You will see greater things than
these."

WHO was He speaking to? The APOSTLES!!!

Post by Vinod
Mark 16:17 "And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they
will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;

Which happened, in fulfillment of the scriptures, throughout the 1st C
Acts period.

Post by Vinod
Mark 16:18 "they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly,
it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they
will recover."

SO glad you brought up that scripture. I guess you haven't heard of
the "snake handlers" and "poison drinkers" of the deep South, USA.

The snake handlers are BITTEN and they die on a regular basis. The
practice has been outlawed, but try to stop adults from such antics
when they're determined!

The "cyanide" they drink was recently tested by a news crew and was
the chemical equivalent of tap water.

Post by Vinod
Mark 16:20 And they went out and preached everywhere, the Lord working with
them and confirming the word through the accompanying signs. Amen.

True.

AGAIN, you are referring to the APOSTLES.

Post by Vinod
John 4:48 Then Jesus said to him, "Unless you people see signs and wonders,
you will by no means believe."

And that was NOT a positive comment from the Lord.

Mt 24:23 At that time if anyone says to you, `Look, here is the
Christ!' or, `There he is!' do not believe it. 24 For false Christs
and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to
deceive even the elect--if that were possible. 25 See, I have told you
ahead of time.

YOU worship SIGNS. We are INSTEAD to worship CHRIST.

And now I must ask you; if there were SUDDENLY NO SIGNS happening,
would you continue to believe in Jesus?

AGAIN, Jesus on SIGNS:

MT 12:38 Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said
to him,

"Teacher, we want to see a miraculous sign from you."

MT 12:39 He answered,

"A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous
sign!

But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah."


So why do "pentecostals" NEVER quote Mt 12:38-39?

Post by Vinod
John 4:54 This again is the second sign Jesus did when He had come out of
Judea into Galilee.
John 12:37 But although He had done so many signs before them, they did not
believe in Him,
John 12:38 that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he
spoke: "Lord, who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the
LORD been revealed?"
Was Paul a sign chaser?
Rom 15:17 Therefore I have reason to glory in Christ Jesus in the things
which pertain to God.
Rom 15:18 For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ
has not accomplished through me, in word and deed, to make the Gentiles
obedient;
Rom 15:19 in mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God,
so that from Jerusalem and round about to Illyricum I have fully preached
the gospel of Christ.

Yet you CONTINUE TO IGNORE or prove that you simply do not know the
scriptures.

Acts 2:43 Everyone was filled with awe, and many wonders and
miraculous signs were done by the apostles.

MANY WONDERS AND MIRACULOUS SIGNS WERE DONE BY THE
A P O S T L E S

AC 5:12 The apostles performed many miraculous signs and wonders
among the people. And all the believers used to meet together in
Solomon's Colonnade.

the A P O S T L E S performed many miraculous signs and wonders.

jw

Post by Vinod
Thanks and God bless
Vinod Isaac
http://vinodisaac.com

[Vinod]

Ok so you say sings are applicable and can be done only by APOSTLES

Here are verses that refute it. Stephen was not an APOSTLE instead he was
selected to help with distribution and take care of widows.

Acts 6:8 And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and signs
among the people.

Then Paul is writing to Church of Corinth about the gifts of Holy Spirit. If
gifts were only limited to APOSTLES then why is it that Paul is writing it
to a Church. And even encourages them to desire the best gifts

1 Cor 12:31 But earnestly desire the best gifts.

Also the following verse is clear that signs and miracles come by gifts of
Holy Spirit
Heb 2:4 God also bearing witness both with signs and wonders, with various
miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit, according to His own will?

Remeber Paul was preaching in the same power of the Holy Spirit with mighty
signs and wonders.

Rom 15:19 in mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God,
so that from Jerusalem and round about to Illyricum I have fully preached
the gospel of Christ.

What do you say Holy Spirit is dead so it does not perform miracles any
more?

I tell you some body has brain washed you and has taught you about some
other God not about God of Bible.

For your kind information Devil is not the only one who shows signs and
wonders as you have quoted Mat 24:23 instead God of Bible is all powerful
and still performs miracles and signs and wonders. Devil is not all
powerful. If you don't have capacity to understand the signatures of devil
in signs and wonders then don't try to put down God of Bible. God of Bible
is not a powerless God.

For your kind information I don't worship signs. I worship Christ who is God
of miracles. From genesis to Revelation he has performed miracles and He
still performs miracles. On the question of will I worship Him even if signs
and wonders don't happen answer is absolutely yes but I will certainly
surprised if signs and wonders don't happen because it is His nature to
perform miracles. Don't ever try to tell me that I worship signs. You even
don't know me how can you make such a judgement?

He himself has declared that what kind of God He is in Gen 17:1 He has
called Himself Almighty God.

Gen 17:1 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram
and said to him, "I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless.

Then in Exo 15:26 He clearly says "For I am the Lord who heals you" that
tells me that it is a unchanging nature of God to heal His people.

Exo 15:26 and said, "If you diligently heed the voice of the LORD your God
and do what is right in His sight, give ear to His commandments and keep all
His statutes, I will put none of the diseases on you which I have brought on
the Egyptians. For I am the LORD who heals you."

Psalmist confirms it
Psa 103:3 Who forgives all your iniquities, Who heals all your diseases,
Psa 103:4 Who redeems your life from destruction, Who crowns you with
lovingkindness and tender mercies,
Psa 103:5 Who satisfies your mouth with good things, So that your youth is
renewed like the eagle's.

Again Deu 10:17 tells what kind of God is God of Bible
Deu 10:17 "For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the
great God, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality nor takes a bribe.


Thanks and God bless
Vinod Isaac
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Post by Vinod
"sign chaser"?
Read what Jesus himself said about signs and wonders. I hate when people
take Bible verses out of context and try to scare people saying if they see
the signs it is sin.

Don't twist my words. I didn't say it was a "sin." I said "signs"
today are false.

Post by Vinod
Mark 3:13 And He went up on the mountain and called to Him those He Himself
wanted. And they came to Him.
Mark 3:14 Then He appointed twelve, that they might be with Him and that He
might send them out to preach,

To whom was Jesus speaking?
This is truly frightening, when you who have not made a diligent study
of the Bible twist and misuse it.
Jesus was speaking with the APOSTLES at that time, and the APOSTLES
were who were given the sign gifts.

Post by Vinod
John 1:50 Jesus answered and said to him, "Because I said to you, 'I saw
you under the fig tree,' do you believe? You will see greater things than
these."

WHO was He speaking to? The APOSTLES!!!

Post by Vinod
Mark 16:17 "And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they
will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;

Which happened, in fulfillment of the scriptures, throughout the 1st C
Acts period.

Post by Vinod
Mark 16:18 "they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly,
it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they
will recover."

SO glad you brought up that scripture. I guess you haven't heard of
the "snake handlers" and "poison drinkers" of the deep South, USA.
The snake handlers are BITTEN and they die on a regular basis. The
practice has been outlawed, but try to stop adults from such antics
when they're determined!
The "cyanide" they drink was recently tested by a news crew and was
the chemical equivalent of tap water.

Post by Vinod
Mark 16:20 And they went out and preached everywhere, the Lord working with
them and confirming the word through the accompanying signs. Amen.

True.
AGAIN, you are referring to the APOSTLES.

Post by Vinod
John 4:48 Then Jesus said to him, "Unless you people see signs and wonders,
you will by no means believe."

And that was NOT a positive comment from the Lord.
Mt 24:23 At that time if anyone says to you, `Look, here is the
Christ!' or, `There he is!' do not believe it. 24 For false Christs
and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to
deceive even the elect--if that were possible. 25 See, I have told you
ahead of time.
YOU worship SIGNS. We are INSTEAD to worship CHRIST.
And now I must ask you; if there were SUDDENLY NO SIGNS happening,
would you continue to believe in Jesus?
MT 12:38 Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said
to him,
"Teacher, we want to see a miraculous sign from you."
MT 12:39 He answered,
"A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous
sign!
But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah."
So why do "pentecostals" NEVER quote Mt 12:38-39?

Post by Vinod
John 4:54 This again is the second sign Jesus did when He had come out of
Judea into Galilee.
John 12:37 But although He had done so many signs before them, they did not
believe in Him,
John 12:38 that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he
spoke: "Lord, who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the
LORD been revealed?"
Was Paul a sign chaser?
Rom 15:17 Therefore I have reason to glory in Christ Jesus in the things
which pertain to God.
Rom 15:18 For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ
has not accomplished through me, in word and deed, to make the Gentiles
obedient;
Rom 15:19 in mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God,
so that from Jerusalem and round about to Illyricum I have fully preached
the gospel of Christ.

Yet you CONTINUE TO IGNORE or prove that you simply do not know the
scriptures.
Acts 2:43 Everyone was filled with awe, and many wonders and
miraculous signs were done by the apostles.
MANY WONDERS AND MIRACULOUS SIGNS WERE DONE BY THE
A P O S T L E S
AC 5:12 The apostles performed many miraculous signs and wonders
among the people. And all the believers used to meet together in
Solomon's Colonnade.
the A P O S T L E S performed many miraculous signs and wonders.
jw

Post by Vinod
Thanks and God bless
Vinod Isaac
http://vinodisaac.com

[jw <[e-mail]>]

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Post by Vinod
Ok so you say sings are applicable and can be done only by APOSTLES
Here are verses that refute it. Stephen was not an APOSTLE instead he was
selected to help with distribution and take care of widows.
Acts 6:8 And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and signs
among the people.
Then Paul is writing to Church of Corinth about the gifts of Holy Spirit. If
gifts were only limited to APOSTLES then why is it that Paul is writing it
to a Church. And even encourages them to desire the best gifts
1 Cor 12:31 But earnestly desire the best gifts.
Also the following verse is clear that signs and miracles come by gifts of
Holy Spirit
Heb 2:4 God also bearing witness both with signs and wonders, with various
miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit, according to His own will?
Remeber Paul was preaching in the same power of the Holy Spirit with mighty
signs and wonders.
Rom 15:19 in mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God,
so that from Jerusalem and round about to Illyricum I have fully preached
the gospel of Christ.
What do you say Holy Spirit is dead so it does not perform miracles any

#1 you are referring to New Testament times. The gifts were in effect
then. Paul ALSO says that the sign gifts ceased before he died.

1 Cor 13.

#2 You show a total lack of understanding about the Holy Spirit. you
FIRST refer to Him as something inanimate.

"What do you say Holy Spirit is dead..."

I never said He is dead.

#3 You show a total lack of understanding about the Holy Spirit. you
FIRST refer to Him as something inanimate.

Post by Vinod
What do you say Holy Spirit is dead so it does not perform miracles any

You refer to the Holy Spirit as "it".

"... Holy Spirit is dead so it does not..."

Since when is the 3rd PERSON of the Holy Trinity an "it?"

?????

That is HERESY!!

Post by Vinod
more?
I tell you some body has brain washed you and has taught you about some
other God not about God of Bible.

OBVIOUSLY, you are not open to truth, so I will stop here.

jw


snip

[Steve Knight]

On 26 Jul 2005 08:43:46 -0700, "Jason Gastrich"

Post by Jason Gastrich
Hi everyone its nice being back to Usenet. I am doing some research on
some of the Word of Faith teachers.

The thief and liar is back.

So tell us again why you stole our atheist list after being told
you were not welcome to do it but did it anyway?

What justification do you have for stealing our list and posting it
on your website?

And if you're really back, I'm gonna fuck with you big time. Go
ahead and plonk me but I have a domain and a website ready to go.

Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly

[Mark K. Bilbo]

Post by Steve Knight

Post by Jason Gastrich
Hi everyone its nice being back to Usenet. I am doing some research on
some of the Word of Faith teachers.

The thief and liar is back.

I doubt it. The post came out of AOL and that's where the "fake" Jason (et
al) posts from...

[Red Rum]

Post by Jason Gastrich
Hi everyone its nice being back to Usenet.

aaaaaaaaaarrrrrggghhhhhh!~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!